Aadel Collection
Interview with Khomeini (briefly discusses summary executions of Kurds)
Khomeini
Unveiled
The ayatollah speaks
executions, political
out on
freedom, the crimes of the
s/kih and the morals of
youth and women
An interview by Oriuna Fulluci
FALLACI: Imarn Khomeini, the entire country is
in your hands. Every decision you make is an order.
So there are many in your country who say that in
Iran there is no freedom, that the revolution did not
bring freedom.
KHOMEINI: Iran is not in my hands. Iran is in
the hands of the people, because it was the people
who handed the country over to the person who is
their servant, and who wants only what is good for
them. You saw very well how, after the death of [ Aya-
tolI h Mahmoudj Taleghani [ in September] millions
of persons went into the streets without the threat of
violence. This shows that there is freedom. It also
shows that the people only follow men of God. And
this is freedom.
FALLACI: Forgive me if I insist, hnam Khomeini.
I meant that today, in Iran, you raise fear, and many
people call you a dictator. The new dictator, the new
boss. The new master. How do you comment on that?
Does it sadden you or don't you care?
KHOMEINI: On the one hand ‘I'm sorry to hear
that. Yes, it hurts me, because it is unjust and inhu-
man to call me a dictator. On the other hand, I
couldn't care less, because I know that wiëkedness is
a part of human nature, and such wickedness comes
from our enemies. Considering the road that we have
chosen, a road that is opposed to the superpowers, it
is normal that the servants of foreign interests treat
me with their poison, and burl all kinds of calumnies
against me. Nor do I have any illusions that those
countries which axe accustomed to plundering and
looting us will stand by silently and idly. Oh, the
mercenaries of the shah say lots of things — even
that Khomeini ordered the'breasts of.woinen to be
cut off. Tell me, since you are here, did you have any
evidence that Khomeini could commit such a mon-
strous act, that he would cut off the breasts of
women?
FALLACI: No. I did not, Imain. But you frighten
people, as I said. And even this mob which calls your
name is frightening. What do you feel, hearing them
calling out like this, day and night, knowing that they
are there, all of them there sitting for hours, being
shoved about, suffering, just to see you for a moment
and to sing your praises?
KHOMEINI: I enjoy it. I enjoy hearing and seeing
them. Because they are the same ones who rose up to
throw out the internal and external enemies. Because
their applause is the continuation of the cry with
which the usurper was thro vn out. It is good that
they continue to be agitated, because the enemies
have not disappeared. Until the country has settled
down the people ini st remain fired up, ready to
march and attack again In addition, this is love, an
intelligent love. It is impossible not to enjoy it.
FALLACI: Love or fanaticism, Imani? It seems to
me that this is fanaticism, and of the most dangerous
kind. I mean, fascist fanaticism.
KHOMEINI: No, it is neither fascism nor fanati-
cism. I repeat, they yell like this because they love
me, and they love me because they feel that I care for
them, that I act for their good. That is, to apply the
commandments of Islam. Islam is justice. Dictator-
ship is the greatest sin in the religion of Islam. Fas-
cism and Islamism are absolutely incompatible. Fas-
cism arises in the West, not among people of Islamic
culture.
FALLACI: Perhaps we don't understand each
other or the meaning of the word fascism, Imani. By
fascism I mean a popular phenomenon, the kind we
Last month Oriana Failed, the Ital-
ian journalist who is noted for her pro-
vocative interviews with world lead-
ers, traveled to Iran tO meet with the
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The in
terview was conducted over two days
in Khomeini's holy city of Qum. This is
an edited transcript.
had in Italy when the crowds cheered Mussolini, as
here they cheer you, an4 they obeyed him as they
obey you now.
KHOMEINI: No, Because our masses are Mos-
lems, educated by the clergy — that is, by men who
preach spirituality and goodness. Fascism would be
possible here only if the shah were to return or if
communism would win and wipe us out. Cheering, for
me, means to love freedom and democracy.
FALLACI: Okay, then, let's talk about freedom
and democracy, Imarn. And let's do it like this. In one
of your first speeches at Qum, you said that the new
Islamic government would guarantee freedom of
thought and of expression for everyone, .including
Communists and ethnic minorities. But this promise
was not kept, and now you define Communists as
“sons of Satan” and the leaders of the rebelling eth-
nic minorities as the “evil of the earth.”
By Allen Carroll for Th Washington Post
See KHOMEINI, Page D2
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